4-17-18 – Update – 943pm
Outgoing OHSAA Executive Commissioner Dr. Dan Ross said on Tuesday while addressing Ohio sportswriters confirmed that the shot clock will not be considered by the NFHS. This despite an IHSA official Kurt Gibson saying in a recent interview that it would be considered.
Ross also said the OHSAA has voted no on it every time it has been brought up for discussion.
“My concern with that was the shot clock piece was designed to help kids go play in college. 96.4 percent of our kids aren’t — the last time they ever put their jersey on for their school is probably going to be the last time they’ll compete.”
“If you make a shot clock, what will it be? 35 seconds? You may already have had a shot and a half. When you look at the data, it doesn’t make any sense. Let’s let our kids be kids. I don’t want them racing to get to college, because most of them aren’t going to play .”
4-17-18 – Update on Shot Clock – 315pm
In reply to SSN email-
Matt Troha, Illinois High School Association, Assistant Executive Director
The NFHS committee did not end up making a shot clock recommendation, so it won’t happen next year.
Here is the posting, if and when a shot clock is adapted for HS sports—
(4-17-18) SSN contacted coaches and AD’s about the possibility of the 35 second clock being adapted by the NFHS in boys and girls basketball in the very near future.
What has led to this sudden push for the new rule.
2017 NFHS survey of more than 6,000 coaches nationwide, 57 percent favor the shot clock, while 62 percent of state associations (with 29 responding) are against the shot clock.
Why did only 29 associations reply to the survey? Any state association would forfeit its ability to serve on the NFHS Basketball Rules Committee that currently uses the shot clock (California, Maryland, Massachusetts, New York, North Dakota, Rhode Island, South Dakota, and Washington) or plays halves (Minnesota, Wisconsin instead of quarters. They lose that privilege because the NFHS does not endorse either of those rules.
In March of 2018 USA Basketball and the NBA released a joint document outlining rules and standards for youth competition.
- A 24-second shot clock for ninth-12th grade and a 30-second shot clock for ages 12-14, when possible.
The 30-second shot clock for the 12-14 age segment, along with the 24-second shot clock for the ninth-12th grade segment, allows for more possessions for each team, better game flow and additional decision-making opportunities for players.
For all recommendations relating to players in the ninth-12th grade level, the NBA and USA Basketball have adopted FIBA (International Basketball Federation) rules. These internationally recognized rules promote player development, better game flow and a positive playing experience for youth basketball’s oldest age segment. Where a specific standard or rule is not indicated, the recommendation is to follow official FIBA rules.
Ft. Loramie (Ohio) Head Boys Basketball Coach
“I think installing the shot clock will add an interesting dynamic to high school basketball. I can’t say I am for it or against it. I am not sure the stats of high school basketball games in our area, but I don’t know how many possessions actually last 35-40 seconds unless someone is doing it on purpose.”
“I think there are several things to consider when you talk about implementing a shot clock.
1. How many schools have the budget to spend money on a system. You have to find people to then help out and run the shot clock with proper teacher. Are we going to have them in the JH as well, that is more money and more cost for schools to spend.
2. How many errors or stoppages are there going to be throughout the course of the game due to resetting, or malfunctions. How many problems is this going to lead too? It might cause more problems for officials.
3. Also what are scores going to look like when you have a team that is outmatched. If the shot clock forces shots every 35 seconds are scores going to get out of hand worse than they already do?
4. Will it lead to ugly basketball, poor possessions, heaves from several feet away. When teams get up and guard and the shot clock running down it will lead to more ugly possessions.
Just like anything that happens, there will be a learning curve for everyone, it will be interesting to see how things play out. I do believe adding a shot clock will no longer allow for the underdog a fair shot. One of the strategies of basketball is to take the air out of the basketball and be patient, I think adding a shot clock will eliminate that aspect of the game.”
Brett McAllister Rockford (Illinois) Boylan Head Boys Basketball Coach:
I can see both sides of the shot clock conversation. From the negative side I know the equipment is expensive and to put another task on the individuals who volunteer to run the scorers table is tough. You have to think as well another aspect of the game for the officials to monitor and think about.
On the other end you would think it might speed the game up however studying our possessions it is hard to find us consistently using an entire 35 seconds currently.
Todd Brannan Belvidere (Illinois) North Head Boys Basketball Coach:
Adding a shot clock would certainly be an adjustment. There would be more end of clock situations that teams would have to prepare for. I’m probably against it. I think a shot clock would always favor the better team. I think basketball is the most unpredictable sport. Adding a shot clock won’t allow for a team that is not as talented a chance to win. The other aspect is the cost and also the maintenance of the equipment. It would certainly be exciting if it is approved.
Harlem (Illinois) Head Basketball Coach Mike Winters:
From a pure game standpoint I think it’s time. If it is a :30 clock, pressing teams could make it difficult for their opponents to get the ball into the front court and get organized, taking them deep into the shot clock. I also believe it will favor coaches that run a lot of quick hitters already. Their teams will execute better later in the clock. I think adding a clock at :35 or more would be a complete waste and would only affect the game minimally and therefore be difficult to justify the costs associated with it. The shot clock is something most players in Europe are playing with at an even younger age.
It will present some challenges though for game management as well as officials. In a time where officials are leaving the game for various reasons, added stress and responsibility may drive even more away. Finding qualified workers to run the shot clock will also be difficult for athletic directors who already struggle to find quality help.
Eric Goodwin Coldwater (Ohio) Athletic Director:
As an athletic director, I’m not for or against the shot clock necessarily. This would be a coaching issue. As an Athletic Director, I just have to work through the other issues with it. I know it will be a cost by adding them and hiring someone to work them each game. It will also be an issue to get knowledgeable people to work the clocks on a consistent basis across the state of Ohio (no instant replay in High School BK….yet). Getting knowledgeable people to run them is probably the biggest concern in High School basketball.
The one thing I would like to see is to do a study to make sure it is worth the effort and issues of adding it in Ohio. In other words, I know there are a few games in which a team will “sit” on the ball. How often is this? Out of the roughly 50 Varsity games our teams played this year, I don’t recall any times this has happened (although I’m sure it has happened in other places). With video tape available via Hudl, I would like to see them grab 25-30 random games state wide and then do a study to see how often a shot clock would have come into effect. If we are talking a small percentage of games and/or just a small percentage of possessions, then I’m not sure it would be worth the trouble. I would definitely want to see some research prior to implementation to see if it is truly needed on a large basis. Not saying it is or is not, but research to back it up one way or the other would be great.
Last question would be how low of levels do you implement the clock? If your teams need to work their offense to represent a shot clock at the varsity level, I’m guessing the coaches would want the lower levels working the same type of offense to get it implemented.
Nick Fisher Coldwater Girls Basketball Coach
I am not sure the HS game needs a shot clock. I would like to see the data they have used to determine why a shot clock needs to be implemented. Are they basing the use of a shot clock in HS off that fact that we have one in the college game. I am also concerned on how we pay for a shot clock and who is going to man it, it is more difficult then it sounds to keep track of the time in many game situations. Does the use of the shot clock slow the game down when they are trying to figure out what time should be on the clock?
Also I think it may make people play faster then they are able to making the game uglier. Again to many variables are unknown for me to say yes or no to the use of the shot clock.